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Old 09-28-2008, 03:39 PM   #1
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Question canine congestive heart failure

Please help! My 14 y/o female PEKE FIFI, is on oxygen tank now for 24 hrs...has been on IV all week for kidney failure. Her kidney function has improved, but now they cant take her off oxygen yet. The main concern was to get her kidneys strong enough to start expelling the fluid from her lungs...it is working, but slowly. How long should she continue this process. Spends the day at the vet and the nights at the ER clinic. I feel like someone should have given her full blood panel (the third vet i took her too did the initial one) and they would have seen she had kidney failure before prescribing and injecting her with lasix. Now this is delaying her recovery. THey CHF was sudden onset with symptoms of heavy breathing and later fainting and convulsions even after they put her on Lasix, Vetmedine, and analopryl.

Please help...anyone else suffer this? It has been 8 days now. SHould I give up? She's not.

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Old 09-28-2008, 03:51 PM   #2
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I am sorry to hear about your baby, it sounds like the vets have done alot of things on her. If you have the money to spare I would keep trying but, if you feel they have tried everything and she isnt going to pull through, then the best thing to do is let her go with dignity.

Even if she pulls through she will not be the same dog, and will problably be on medicines and she prolly wont be able to do the things she loved to do. I know this is a tough decision, and most pet owners wouldnt have gone to the extent of medical care that she has gone through, but CHF is a very serious thing and she will not be the same...
8 days of treatment ...that is a long time...

You had 14 great years with her, and I am sure she loves you so much...I hope that you will make the right decision, as hard as it is...just remember she loves you no matter what.

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Old 09-28-2008, 03:59 PM   #3
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Thank you so much. She has been such a trooper...just good days and bad. She was in perfect health and is such a puppy acting girl. I just cant give up on her when there is so much life left in her. We are waiting to see how she can handle expelling the fluid from her lungs now that her kidneys are working better to do so. My Himalayan misses her tremendously, and so do I . It is heartwrenching. I just wanted opinions as to how to proceed, continue, or give up. I don't know if others have pulled out and been ok for 4-5 more years. I know owners who have managed CHF for years. (Am I in denial stage? Is this unrealistic? Am I doing the right thing for my little girl, by giving her every chance I can?)
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:06 PM   #4
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I dont know of anyone that has a dog that has CHF, and I didnt want to tell you to give up. What has your vet said? That there is hope? Ask them if after this ordeal what will your baby act like and such. If she can pull through and live for several years afterwards, then by all means let her fight.

I am scared for you that the outcome will not be what you want it to be after fighting for so long for her... I would be asking the vet alot of questions...and if they cannot give you a straight answer...
I dont know why a vet would be treating a dog for over a week if they didnt have hope that the dog would make it. Have they said anything negative or anything? Have they hinted that it might be time? I wish I was there!!!

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Old 09-28-2008, 04:23 PM   #5
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Just talked to the ER vet...heart beat is strong, she is urinating, which is what's going to help her with the fluid in lungs...which is the priority. Thursday night the vet told me he would be surprised if she made it through the night...SHE DID...and was back at his office bright eyed the next day, with only two oxygen treatments that day. When I took her to the ER clinic for over the weekend on Friday evening, they had to place her in the oxygen tank at 5 am Saturday morning and she has not been able to come out. Vet just said she hasnt had any seizures or fainting, and that she is doing what she is supposed to be doing...the set back was the kidneys...and now they are improving for her to let meds do their job. Vet says she hears no additional sounds of fluid, which indicates not building up more, but getting rid of what she did have. The diagnostician/specialist will see her tomorrow to determine any upping of dosage, different meds, etc. that could speed up the process...guess that's when decisions will be made, since she has held up through this!

I just wish that someone had given her the full blood panel when I first took her in last Saturday night to the ER, or Monday morning at the regular vet. He just said that we just have to wait for the meds to work. I just couldnt take that after the horrible night she had. They would have found the kidney failure...and the infection she had. My first instinct was that she had pneumonia because she fell in the pool and aspirated water...perhaps with chlorine or algae.

The third vet who saw her did the initial blood test on Thursday, when I decided to get a 3rd opinion (or really was expecting to put her down since she had 8 seizures at home overnight.) He found the infection and kidney trouble and injected antibiotics etc. She is much better when she is at the office with them.

Tomorrow will be the day.....

Thank you for your words...I just really need to get some realistic opinions because I feel I am in a trance....I do ask the new vet questions...he says as long as she is strong and fighting...there is hope. I made it clear that I did not wish any suffering. Right now she is comfortable in the oxygen, awaiting clearing the lungs of fluid...Lasix is working, heart is stronger, kidneys improving, so....but she is not eating...I'm going to visit her shortly and try to feed her a variety of things...baby food, Beneful, cat treats, dog bacon, peanut butter, egg yolks..and see if she is interested...she's my baby! Has been a loyal companion from my late 20' s and now I'm 42. I have to give her the chance...

Opinions please...am I dreaming?
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:32 PM   #6
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SO sorry to hear you are goin through this with your baby. I dont anything about CHF so unfortunately I dont have any advice for you except to follow your heart and listen to what the vets have to say. Usually if you have a good vet, they are great at letting you know what the chances are, etc.

I will be keeping you guys in my thoughts, and hope that everything improves.

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Please help! My 14 y/o female PEKE FIFI, is on oxygen tank now for 24 hrs...has been on IV all week for kidney failure. Her kidney function has improved, but now they cant take her off oxygen yet. The main concern was to get her kidneys strong enough to start expelling the fluid from her lungs...it is working, but slowly. How long should she continue this process. Spends the day at the vet and the nights at the ER clinic. I feel like someone should have given her full blood panel (the third vet i took her too did the initial one) and they would have seen she had kidney failure before prescribing and injecting her with lasix. Now this is delaying her recovery. THey CHF was sudden onset with symptoms of heavy breathing and later fainting and convulsions even after they put her on Lasix, Vetmedine, and analopryl.

Please help...anyone else suffer this? It has been 8 days now. SHould I give up? She's not.

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I went through this last year with Giz my 14 year old peek a poo. I finally said to myself I just cannot put him through this anymore and decided to put him to sleep. It was the first time I had ever had to do this, but I did it for him. I was with him holding him sending him to the Rainbow Bridge. I knew I was keeping him alive for me and not for him. We had a long time together and loved each other dearly, but because of that love I had to do what was best for him and not me. I wish you all the courage in the world, you are going through a trying time for you both, but I am sure you will know what is right for you both. My prayers are with you. Susan & Lexcee
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:31 AM   #9
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You make very valid points. I felt like I was giving her every chance possible to improve...as she was just so healthy up until the day last Saturday...it's hard to see something come on so suddenly, and give up so quickly.

She is comfortable in the tank. I just wonder if she'll soon be off the oxygen, expell the fluid from her lungs and be strong enough to live the rest of her years on the heart meds...I understand some dogs do quite well on them. I have to be sure I have given her enough time to recup.

How long did you wait before you put your baby to sleep?
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:39 AM   #10
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You make very valid points. I felt like I was giving her every chance possible to improve...as she was just so healthy up until the day last Saturday...it's hard to see something come on so suddenly, and give up so quickly.

She is comfortable in the tank. I just wonder if she'll soon be off the oxygen, expell the fluid from her lungs and be strong enough to live the rest of her years on the heart meds...I understand some dogs do quite well on them. I have to be sure I have given her enough time to recup.

How long did you wait before you put your baby to sleep?
I waited about 10 days, but it was so hard to watch him, he was not himself, he had always been a puppy never acted like a full grown dog, he was my life. I live alone and he got me through some really bad times. I have to admit that I never thought I could do it, but I knew in my heart I had to do what was best for him, but I made sure I was holding him when he went to sleep. I cried for 2 weeks solid, but when I went to pick up his ashes and bring them home I stopped crying. It was like he was here with me and gave me comfort and strength. It is never easy, but being a responsible pet owner as I am sure you are you will know when it is time, I did. I sadly had to put a 10 month old shih tzu down in May of this year, but I take solace in the knowledge that they up up there playing together just waiting for me. Now I have Lexcee but I will never forget my 2 gentlemen. My prayers are with you and your baby. You can pm any time as I work from home so if you need someone to talk to please get hold of me. Hugs to you and your baby Susan & Lexcee
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